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		<title>By: clarke thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.simonlong.co.uk/blog/2010/04/19/drobo-fs-where-does-it-fit/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>clarke thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Drobo (original) which I use for home use of mp3s, photos, videos, etc. Although I&#039;m thoroughly vested in RAID technologies &amp; storage solutions, I just wanted to K.I.S.S. for home use. I had too many stand-alone drives in the past, &amp; I find the RAID0/1 solutions wasteful on cost/storage. I don&#039;t want to be spending my time worrying about monitoring the array or re-arranging the array as I added more drives. Of the briefness that I&#039;ve read about their BeyondRAID, it seems very similar to NetApp&#039;s RAID-DP &amp; RAID6.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a generic basic storage solution it&#039;s the best IMO, but it&#039;s not quick enough for guests or video editing. (I use scratch or local) disk for that use. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;btw, I have it connected at 1394b to a dual core 3.0ghz system w/ 4gb memory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Drobo (original) which I use for home use of mp3s, photos, videos, etc. Although I&#39;m thoroughly vested in RAID technologies &#038; storage solutions, I just wanted to K.I.S.S. for home use. I had too many stand-alone drives in the past, &#038; I find the RAID0/1 solutions wasteful on cost/storage. I don&#39;t want to be spending my time worrying about monitoring the array or re-arranging the array as I added more drives. Of the briefness that I&#39;ve read about their BeyondRAID, it seems very similar to NetApp&#39;s RAID-DP &#038; RAID6.</p>
<p>As a generic basic storage solution it&#39;s the best IMO, but it&#39;s not quick enough for guests or video editing. (I use scratch or local) disk for that use. </p>
<p>btw, I have it connected at 1394b to a dual core 3.0ghz system w/ 4gb memory</p>
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		<title>By: NiTRo</title>
		<link>http://www.simonlong.co.uk/blog/2010/04/19/drobo-fs-where-does-it-fit/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>NiTRo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love the Space Used Indicator but I guess it wouldn&#039;t works with VMFS (for the pro version).&lt;br&gt;Anyway, the VMware Ready label is a really nice idea for those home product (homelab here we come !)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love the Space Used Indicator but I guess it wouldn&#39;t works with VMFS (for the pro version).<br />Anyway, the VMware Ready label is a really nice idea for those home product (homelab here we come !)</p>
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		<title>By: Tech Field Day Boston: The Links &#8211; Gestalt IT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech Field Day Boston: The Links &#8211; Gestalt IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JohnP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, Drobo devices are made for non-technical folks with excess money to spend who don&#039;t care about performance.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with that, but there are cheaper methods to have access to 8GB of protected storage without redundant NICs or PSUs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want to go really cheap and already have a Linux box running (or an old grey box from 5 yrs ago), you can build an external eSATA or infiniband connected array and either use a quality RAID cards or Linux software RAID for excellent performance at a lower cost point. The trade off is you will want to be comfortable with Linux and RAID. Most home users aren&#039;t.  I put together an external array a few years ago for home use and have been happy with it for much less money. I chose to match all the disks, but with Linux SW RAID, I could go larger over time.  What keeps me from upgrading to larger disks in the RAID set is the easy/cheap ability to backup the current data I have stored there. If I can&#039;t back it up, I don&#039;t need the primary storage either. I wrote an article on this and what I&#039;d do differently a few years ago here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://jdpfu.com:82/2007/08/20/Build-Your-Own-RAID-5-Array&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://jdpfu.com:82/2007/08/20/Build-Your-Own-R...&lt;/a&gt;. It is still relevant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously, using a Linux host as the storage server adds some complexity, but it also opens up nearly unlimited software possibilities. Running miniDLNA or MediaTomb will let you stream audio and video content to any DLNA devices. There&#039;s Mythtv, xbmc, boxee, and other solutions too. Drop in samba and all the systems in your home can share disk storage for many different uses. You know all this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m certain you are aware of the other &quot;options&quot; that leverage ZFS and allow mixing and matching disks. When I was looking for a solution, the limits on storage for the non-commercial version were too low for me. They aren&#039;t anymore.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are a business and need a SAN, some of Sun&#039;s Open Storage devices or even a Dell iSCSI SAN/NAS could make sense for a more money, but you get lots more redundancy. I suppose that can be said about any storage solution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ReadNAS+ is a direct competitor to Drobo stuff. A few technical friends have these devices for home use, are happy with the performance and generally like it. However, the ReadNAS does have specific disks that are certified for use and some popular brands ARE NOT on that list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Windows Home Server is an impressive product for the 100% Windows Household where redundancy isn&#039;t important at all, but an easy GUI-driven backup method is desired with all the CALs included. Not for me, just like the Drobo isn&#039;t for me, but many people will find value in either OR both solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, Drobo devices are made for non-technical folks with excess money to spend who don&#39;t care about performance.  There&#39;s nothing wrong with that, but there are cheaper methods to have access to 8GB of protected storage without redundant NICs or PSUs.</p>
<p>If you want to go really cheap and already have a Linux box running (or an old grey box from 5 yrs ago), you can build an external eSATA or infiniband connected array and either use a quality RAID cards or Linux software RAID for excellent performance at a lower cost point. The trade off is you will want to be comfortable with Linux and RAID. Most home users aren&#39;t.  I put together an external array a few years ago for home use and have been happy with it for much less money. I chose to match all the disks, but with Linux SW RAID, I could go larger over time.  What keeps me from upgrading to larger disks in the RAID set is the easy/cheap ability to backup the current data I have stored there. If I can&#39;t back it up, I don&#39;t need the primary storage either. I wrote an article on this and what I&#39;d do differently a few years ago here: <a href="http://jdpfu.com:82/2007/08/20/Build-Your-Own-RAID-5-Array" rel="nofollow">http://jdpfu.com:82/2007/08/20/Build-Your-Own-R&#8230;</a>. It is still relevant.</p>
<p>Obviously, using a Linux host as the storage server adds some complexity, but it also opens up nearly unlimited software possibilities. Running miniDLNA or MediaTomb will let you stream audio and video content to any DLNA devices. There&#39;s Mythtv, xbmc, boxee, and other solutions too. Drop in samba and all the systems in your home can share disk storage for many different uses. You know all this.</p>
<p>I&#39;m certain you are aware of the other &#8220;options&#8221; that leverage ZFS and allow mixing and matching disks. When I was looking for a solution, the limits on storage for the non-commercial version were too low for me. They aren&#39;t anymore.</p>
<p>If you are a business and need a SAN, some of Sun&#39;s Open Storage devices or even a Dell iSCSI SAN/NAS could make sense for a more money, but you get lots more redundancy. I suppose that can be said about any storage solution.</p>
<p>ReadNAS+ is a direct competitor to Drobo stuff. A few technical friends have these devices for home use, are happy with the performance and generally like it. However, the ReadNAS does have specific disks that are certified for use and some popular brands ARE NOT on that list.</p>
<p>Windows Home Server is an impressive product for the 100% Windows Household where redundancy isn&#39;t important at all, but an easy GUI-driven backup method is desired with all the CALs included. Not for me, just like the Drobo isn&#39;t for me, but many people will find value in either OR both solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Long</title>
		<link>http://www.simonlong.co.uk/blog/2010/04/19/drobo-fs-where-does-it-fit/comment-page-1/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jamie, It&#039;s always difficult to get people to create applications for others to use, especially if they are going to be available for free. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with what your saying. I&#039;ve not seen the Home Server before, but if it&#039;s based on a Windows OS it makes it a lot more appealing to many home users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jamie, It&#39;s always difficult to get people to create applications for others to use, especially if they are going to be available for free. </p>
<p>I agree with what your saying. I&#39;ve not seen the Home Server before, but if it&#39;s based on a Windows OS it makes it a lot more appealing to many home users.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime Lamar</title>
		<link>http://www.simonlong.co.uk/blog/2010/04/19/drobo-fs-where-does-it-fit/comment-page-1/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime Lamar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DroboPro seems to make more sense for a business.  The prices there are pretty competitive for similar rack mountable  NAS devices.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This one seems to be competing with something like a Windows Home Server.  I would take the Home Server.  There are a ton of nice &quot;apps&quot; that offer additional functionality for home server.  Backup, file sharing, media sharing, controlling your lights, the list goes on.  Plus since its based on Server 2003, you can literally install whatever you want to enable other features, such as PlayOn to stream Hulu to a wii, ps3, or xbox360.  I just dont see the community getting behind DroboApps when Home Server already does it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DroboPro seems to make more sense for a business.  The prices there are pretty competitive for similar rack mountable  NAS devices.  </p>
<p>This one seems to be competing with something like a Windows Home Server.  I would take the Home Server.  There are a ton of nice &#8220;apps&#8221; that offer additional functionality for home server.  Backup, file sharing, media sharing, controlling your lights, the list goes on.  Plus since its based on Server 2003, you can literally install whatever you want to enable other features, such as PlayOn to stream Hulu to a wii, ps3, or xbox360.  I just dont see the community getting behind DroboApps when Home Server already does it better.</p>
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